WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.534 --> 00:00:01.466 ♪ Video killed the radio star ♪ 2 00:00:01.466 --> 00:00:02.299 - Cheese puff? 3 00:00:02.299 --> 00:00:03.132 - No! 4 00:00:03.132 --> 00:00:04.023 Punch, punch, punch, punch! 5 00:00:04.023 --> 00:00:04.856 - Mama. 6 00:00:04.856 --> 00:00:05.689 - Oh! 7 00:00:05.689 --> 00:00:06.522 - You're teaching a class? 8 00:00:06.522 --> 00:00:07.355 - Five, six, seven, eight. 9 00:00:07.355 --> 00:00:08.188 Yeah. 10 00:00:08.188 --> 00:00:09.560 - I didn't know you liked people enough to do that. 11 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:11.800 - I'm a big fan of people! 12 00:00:11.800 --> 00:00:14.610 - So Rose, my first question is for you, I'm kind of 13 00:00:14.610 --> 00:00:17.730 wondering about your history with aerobics. 14 00:00:17.730 --> 00:00:19.940 I, you know, am 40 and so, 15 00:00:19.940 --> 00:00:23.530 I remember my mom with like the Reebok high tops 16 00:00:23.530 --> 00:00:25.926 going to the racquetball center to do- 17 00:00:25.926 --> 00:00:27.360 (Rory laughs) 18 00:00:27.360 --> 00:00:29.660 to work out or doing step in the nineties or whatever. 19 00:00:29.660 --> 00:00:33.010 Like what do you remember about sort of the aerobics boom? 20 00:00:33.010 --> 00:00:35.376 - Well, for my mom, exercise was still 21 00:00:35.376 --> 00:00:37.560 very much considered a luxury. 22 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:39.810 It was not something that everybody could do 23 00:00:39.810 --> 00:00:42.290 or had access to, or time to do that. 24 00:00:42.290 --> 00:00:46.980 And this show really, you know, kind of examines that 25 00:00:46.980 --> 00:00:49.270 because obviously, the rise of home video 26 00:00:49.270 --> 00:00:51.473 became this thing of convenience. 27 00:00:52.440 --> 00:00:54.160 And I'm a child of the nineties, 28 00:00:54.160 --> 00:00:56.680 so I was more like the supermodel era. 29 00:00:56.680 --> 00:00:59.403 You know, like Elle McPherson's video and- 30 00:01:00.407 --> 00:01:01.950 But this is great because it just, 31 00:01:01.950 --> 00:01:05.880 it examines the exact turning point, you know, of 32 00:01:05.880 --> 00:01:08.510 you know, the kind of dance and how it then 33 00:01:08.510 --> 00:01:11.720 has evolution into this aerobics era. 34 00:01:11.720 --> 00:01:13.170 And it's interesting, the people I've talked 35 00:01:13.170 --> 00:01:16.400 to who were there, like in Southern California at the time 36 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:18.767 really refer to it as like a cult, like you know, 37 00:01:18.767 --> 00:01:20.740 "There's this place where these people go 38 00:01:20.740 --> 00:01:22.580 and they've got big hair," you know 39 00:01:22.580 --> 00:01:26.070 it's like that kind of secrecy around it back then 40 00:01:26.070 --> 00:01:31.070 or that kind of like, you know, thrilling kind of quality. 41 00:01:31.350 --> 00:01:34.080 So, I feel like the show really tries to capture that, 42 00:01:34.080 --> 00:01:35.490 that moment. 43 00:01:35.490 --> 00:01:38.440 - Yeah. There's a lot of hindsight that we can look 44 00:01:38.440 --> 00:01:41.140 at the show and be like, "Oh, of course a video." 45 00:01:41.140 --> 00:01:43.160 Like, "Of course it's gonna do well. 46 00:01:43.160 --> 00:01:44.800 VCRs are gonna be a thing." 47 00:01:44.800 --> 00:01:45.800 Do you know what I mean? 48 00:01:45.800 --> 00:01:48.720 But like, it's hard to sort of step away from that 49 00:01:48.720 --> 00:01:51.690 and be like, "Yeah, she might not have known at the time 50 00:01:51.690 --> 00:01:53.830 like you have the shady dude, meeting her in a food court." 51 00:01:53.830 --> 00:01:57.260 And like, it might not all have worked out, you know? 52 00:01:57.260 --> 00:01:59.400 How did you know she was making the right choice? 53 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:01.670 - Yeah. I mean, Sheila wants to seat at the table. 54 00:02:01.670 --> 00:02:04.240 She has this ambition 55 00:02:04.240 --> 00:02:06.430 and she doesn't know how to articulate it. 56 00:02:06.430 --> 00:02:08.570 Or Hannah said, and she's not famous, 57 00:02:08.570 --> 00:02:11.030 she's not a celebrity, she doesn't have a platform. 58 00:02:11.030 --> 00:02:12.530 Like everybody these days, you know 59 00:02:12.530 --> 00:02:15.560 we forget, you know, social media changed everything. 60 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:17.750 Now everybody has a fitness line, 61 00:02:17.750 --> 00:02:22.040 or a parenting blog, or everybody has their own business. 62 00:02:22.040 --> 00:02:26.470 And back then, it was a truly a kind of revolutionary time 63 00:02:26.470 --> 00:02:30.650 in terms of particularly women becoming entrepreneurs. 64 00:02:30.650 --> 00:02:32.130 - Well, she's also, you know, 65 00:02:32.130 --> 00:02:34.020 dealing with the eating disorder on the show 66 00:02:34.020 --> 00:02:37.093 and she has this sort of running inner monologue, 67 00:02:37.093 --> 00:02:39.490 both like berating and belittling herself. 68 00:02:39.490 --> 00:02:41.279 And as a viewer, it was sort of hard for me to 69 00:02:41.279 --> 00:02:44.170 like wrap my head around for a couple of episodes where 70 00:02:44.170 --> 00:02:46.460 I was like, "She doesn't want to be like me." 71 00:02:46.460 --> 00:02:47.293 Do you know what, 72 00:02:47.293 --> 00:02:48.870 like I was putting my own stuff onto it too. 73 00:02:48.870 --> 00:02:49.840 You know what I mean? 74 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:53.970 And I talked a little bit about this with Annie. 75 00:02:53.970 --> 00:02:56.810 Like there's a fine line of relaying sort of the fact that 76 00:02:56.810 --> 00:03:00.350 like Sheila is sick versus, "Oh, look at her. 77 00:03:00.350 --> 00:03:01.800 She looks, she's great at aerobics, 78 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:03.150 she has everything going for her." 79 00:03:03.150 --> 00:03:05.950 You know, and sort of figuring out who she wants to be. 80 00:03:05.950 --> 00:03:08.920 Like how did you sort of, find your way into that 81 00:03:08.920 --> 00:03:10.470 and thread that needle? 82 00:03:10.470 --> 00:03:11.890 - It's about appearances. 83 00:03:11.890 --> 00:03:13.700 I mean, Sheila does look perfect. 84 00:03:13.700 --> 00:03:15.380 Well, why would she have any problems? 85 00:03:15.380 --> 00:03:19.260 She's, you know, she's a skinny, pretty woman 86 00:03:19.260 --> 00:03:22.410 you know, who is, has a seemingly pretty good marriage 87 00:03:22.410 --> 00:03:24.770 and you slowly realize none of that matters. 88 00:03:24.770 --> 00:03:25.870 She has an illness. 89 00:03:25.870 --> 00:03:28.610 Like there is a deep, deep problem with her. 90 00:03:28.610 --> 00:03:32.550 She has an addiction and like any addict, you know 91 00:03:34.880 --> 00:03:36.980 the last time, this is the last time, you know? 92 00:03:36.980 --> 00:03:38.190 I'm never gonna do this again. 93 00:03:38.190 --> 00:03:41.340 This is just, I just have to do this one more time. 94 00:03:41.340 --> 00:03:43.210 And for me, it was about appearances. 95 00:03:43.210 --> 00:03:44.370 It's always about that. 96 00:03:44.370 --> 00:03:48.010 You can present as one thing and really, you know 97 00:03:48.010 --> 00:03:51.400 see behind the curtain about what really is going on. 98 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:53.780 And you know, her inner monologue is uncomfortable 99 00:03:53.780 --> 00:03:56.370 and it's very harsh and it's ruthless and it's awful. 100 00:03:56.370 --> 00:03:58.723 And it's, you know, it's her illness. 101 00:04:00.455 --> 00:04:02.270 And hurt people, hurt people. 102 00:04:02.270 --> 00:04:04.810 - She's also dealing with Danny, 103 00:04:04.810 --> 00:04:08.025 who's an almost comically, awful husband. 104 00:04:08.025 --> 00:04:08.858 (Rory laughs) 105 00:04:08.858 --> 00:04:10.620 Like he has a couple of high points of the show Rory, 106 00:04:10.620 --> 00:04:14.450 but like, you watch it, especially in 2021 107 00:04:14.450 --> 00:04:16.340 and you're like, "Fuck this dude, get out of there." 108 00:04:16.340 --> 00:04:17.248 Do you know what I mean? 109 00:04:17.248 --> 00:04:18.270 (Rory laughs) 110 00:04:18.270 --> 00:04:21.410 Like, do you think Danny will ever learn to be better? 111 00:04:21.410 --> 00:04:24.150 Or is he, like I, in my mind, do you know? 112 00:04:24.150 --> 00:04:27.267 Oh, hello? Like the John Mulaney and Nick Kroll. 113 00:04:27.267 --> 00:04:28.171 - Sure. 114 00:04:28.171 --> 00:04:29.004 - Like, I'm like, he's George and Gil, 115 00:04:29.004 --> 00:04:31.180 like in 30 years, you know what I mean? 116 00:04:31.180 --> 00:04:34.461 He's like living, just like hanging on. 117 00:04:34.461 --> 00:04:35.430 - Yeah. 118 00:04:35.430 --> 00:04:37.070 - What do you think it'll take for him to sort of 119 00:04:37.070 --> 00:04:40.080 like figure shit out? Get with the program? 120 00:04:40.080 --> 00:04:42.130 - You know, I don't, I don't know. 121 00:04:42.130 --> 00:04:44.040 I don't know because you know, 122 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:46.070 the time period they lived in, 123 00:04:46.070 --> 00:04:48.220 I know what you mean when you, you kind of see this marriage 124 00:04:48.220 --> 00:04:49.700 and you see this lack of support 125 00:04:49.700 --> 00:04:52.600 that Sheila's getting from Danny, you're almost wondering 126 00:04:52.600 --> 00:04:55.610 you know, why would she stay in this? 127 00:04:55.610 --> 00:04:56.810 Or why doesn't she leave? 128 00:04:56.810 --> 00:04:59.620 But also, you know, it's the early eighties 129 00:04:59.620 --> 00:05:03.460 and people are sort of resigned to a lot of their marriages. 130 00:05:03.460 --> 00:05:05.070 They aren't just getting divorced. 131 00:05:05.070 --> 00:05:07.060 And I don't think, I think that was maybe 132 00:05:07.060 --> 00:05:08.660 something that was considered more taboo 133 00:05:08.660 --> 00:05:10.170 and just not something you did. 134 00:05:10.170 --> 00:05:12.310 Or it kind of made society, 135 00:05:12.310 --> 00:05:14.480 like you were admitting to society that you made a mistake 136 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:18.155 or you did something wrong and you chose the wrong person. 137 00:05:18.155 --> 00:05:21.010 And I think that's why they stay together. 138 00:05:21.010 --> 00:05:23.630 But I think, I would like to believe that Danny 139 00:05:23.630 --> 00:05:26.410 could become a more supportive person 140 00:05:26.410 --> 00:05:30.210 but at the same time, Danny is so deeply focused on himself 141 00:05:30.210 --> 00:05:33.060 that when he realizes his wife has this, you know 142 00:05:33.060 --> 00:05:36.350 other life that is seemingly doing very well. 143 00:05:36.350 --> 00:05:38.770 I think he probably just wants to figure out 144 00:05:38.770 --> 00:05:41.090 how to turn that into a profit for himself 145 00:05:41.090 --> 00:05:43.573 or get himself back in the limelight. 146 00:05:44.850 --> 00:05:47.190 - Yeah, or maybe that's his exit point. 147 00:05:47.190 --> 00:05:51.400 Like he's like, if I'm not the star of this show 148 00:05:51.400 --> 00:05:53.240 then how can I be in this relationship? 149 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:56.371 You know, we can't say too much about that but maybe. 150 00:05:56.371 --> 00:05:57.500 - (laughs) Right. 151 00:05:57.500 --> 00:06:00.800 - You guys both have pretty strong hair looks in the show. 152 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:03.450 How did your hair do? Rose, we can start with you. 153 00:06:03.450 --> 00:06:04.730 Affect your performance? 154 00:06:04.730 --> 00:06:06.930 Like, you know, when you put the, 155 00:06:06.930 --> 00:06:09.340 when you have the perm and you have the big hair 156 00:06:09.340 --> 00:06:12.700 do you feel more like, like Sheila? 157 00:06:12.700 --> 00:06:16.470 - Annie Wiseman had such a specific idea for Sheila. 158 00:06:16.470 --> 00:06:19.020 You know, she really wanted her to fill the frame. 159 00:06:19.020 --> 00:06:20.910 You know, it's very much from her perspective 160 00:06:20.910 --> 00:06:23.927 and you look at images from the eighties and you think, 161 00:06:23.927 --> 00:06:25.550 "Oh my god, you can't do that." 162 00:06:25.550 --> 00:06:29.110 But really, I mean, they really were so over the top 163 00:06:29.110 --> 00:06:31.747 and I initially was erring on the side of, 164 00:06:31.747 --> 00:06:33.420 "Oh no, we should just restrain this a bit." 165 00:06:33.420 --> 00:06:36.917 And then by the end, I was like, "Bigger, bigger, bigger!" 166 00:06:38.025 --> 00:06:40.740 (laughs) So, it's an interesting, 167 00:06:40.740 --> 00:06:43.070 it's hard not to make it a parody in the eighties. 168 00:06:43.070 --> 00:06:46.173 And it was about always that, you know, that fine line. 169 00:06:47.580 --> 00:06:49.360 - I respect it and I also came out of it 170 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:51.856 wanting just like bigger, bigger, bigger hair. 171 00:06:51.856 --> 00:06:53.453 - (laughs) Right. 172 00:06:53.453 --> 00:06:57.230 - (laughs) Last question is for you, Rory. 173 00:06:57.230 --> 00:07:01.740 I'm a big fan of Sara Schaefer who I know lives near you. 174 00:07:01.740 --> 00:07:02.800 And I'm wondering if you are, 175 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:05.200 if you are passed at the Haha Hole? 176 00:07:05.200 --> 00:07:07.923 Which is the miniature comedy club that she created. 177 00:07:07.923 --> 00:07:08.756 - (laughs) I don't think I am. 178 00:07:08.756 --> 00:07:11.120 I think there's only two men that are passed at 179 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:15.200 the Haha Hole and I think it's Carrot Top and Jeff Dunham. 180 00:07:15.200 --> 00:07:17.373 I think those are the two pictures that are on the wall 181 00:07:17.373 --> 00:07:18.500 (laughs) at the Haha Hole. 182 00:07:18.500 --> 00:07:21.965 So, fingers are crossed, who knows what the future holds. 183 00:07:21.965 --> 00:07:24.874 - (laughs) Maybe, maybe when, like your special comes out 184 00:07:24.874 --> 00:07:26.346 and this comes out, like maybe then. 185 00:07:26.346 --> 00:07:27.818 - (laughs) Right, right. 186 00:07:27.818 --> 00:07:29.850 - [Rose] Only you have the power to change you. 187 00:07:29.850 --> 00:07:31.259 Are you ready to change? 188 00:07:31.259 --> 00:07:35.092 ♪ Video killed the radio star ♪ 189 00:07:36.110 --> 00:07:37.060 - You feeling better? 190 00:07:37.060 --> 00:07:39.420 - Feel more awake than I have in, I can't remember. 191 00:07:39.420 --> 00:07:40.360 What's in this? 192 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:42.223 - Sugar-free pink lemonade and speed.