No, I think they're human. When you're human and your local politicians all tell you every day that they have secret knowledge that you will be fired if you vote a certain way, that might have an effect.

The second you said "UAW thugs" your post lost all legitimacy. Way to sound like a reasonable person. When employers (or in this case politicians) intimidate workers and threaten them with job loss, that's not "thug" at all. How does the UAW "mess" with the election anyway? They are a union and support unionization.…

That's the problem, we don't know. It might have, it might not have. I don't give a shit if they unionize or not, I care that the 24/7 "YOU'LL ALL LOSE YOUR JOOOBBBBBSSS" crap might've swayed the election.

VW didn't actively lobby, they actively said they don't give a shit since they already work with unions all over the world anyways. The UAW lobbied for it, and politicians who had no business in this matter lobbied against it by actively making shit up and speaking for VW (at which point VW politely pointed out that…

Good for you, and maybe those workers in Tennessee would've been better off with/without a union. We don't know since they never got to have a fair debate because crooked politicians interfered. Also, it's the internet, so your "I got away from a union and everything is awesome" story may be as legitimate as the "OMG…

They should've won or lost based on the merits of unionization as determined by the workers, not politicians. The election was swayed by 24/7 threats of unemployment from people who had nothing to do with the election. THAT's the problem. It isn't the outcome, it's the illegitimacy of it.

That makes no sense. The false threats were used to sway an election. You're excusing the awful shit these assholes did because they didn't really mean it, they just wanted to make sure unionization was defeated. Well that makes everything OK.

No, it's like a group of workers considering unionizing, their employer being ok with it, and politicians who have nothing to do with it interfering with the election by issuing false threats of job loss on a 24/7 basis.

OK, and then the asshole Tennessee GOP will again tell them that they will all lose their jobs if they unionize. And then what?

No, they didn't reject a "corrupted union." They were scared shitless that they would lose their jobs because asshole politicians told them every day that they would lose their jobs if they voted for a union. This isn't "power of the people," it's power of politicians threatening their own constituents on behalf of…

Sane people should care. The state politicians repeated the threats of work loss on a daily basis. That's called fucking with an election. It isn't a fair election if a third party comes in and starts spreading bullshit. The issue was among the workers, UAW and VW. VW was fine with it.

What ideals? VW was already planning to give them production of their new CUV. What's the issue here?

I'd be pissed off, too, if the actual company employing the workers was fine with unionization but local right-wing politicians constantly threw out threats of loss of work to influence the election.

Just like GM shit the bed for two decades because of "unions" and not because they made awful cars and assumed their base would buy them just because they were American. Right?

VW already works with unions in Germany. They don't give a shit. The factory was going to get more production regardless.

How was this election even legal? You had VW saying they were fine with it and instead state politicians threatening workers and straight up lying about VW not giving the factory a new production model. The hell kind of bullshit is this?

They're fundamentalists. They're always pissed. What else is new.

You sound like a very reasonable person.

NBC are scared shitless of "offending" bigots, so they had to edit it out. Though, considering the bathroom situation in Sochi, I can't blame them.

I have no joke here. Kay is a piece of shit. He is YES's version of Bayless, Cowherd and Reilly rolled into one Goebels-like fanboy package. He is truly awful in every conceivable way.