No, not until they added that text. I was a bit shocked, to be honest.

I always worry about how my hubs cope with ‘hars conditions’.

I know. I read the article.

“Rather than, you know, getting healthy amounts of sleep,”

How do we know that the Lambo was even being driven, though. Maybe it was peacefully parked and just talked back to Brown once too often and he knocked it about until it “learned some fucking respect”.

I never, at any point, suggested it would get it to operating temperature. Besides, it’s more about warming up the oil - that’s how this conversation started. I never at any point suggested we were getting the trans to operating tolerances, just that warming the oil through warming the trans is advantageous.

“I disagree with there being any benefit at all to the transmission by idling the car for a few minutes.”

Now you’re talking about just warming the engine, though. My entire point was that warming the engine at idle isn’t in isolation and doing so has other benefits - namely, not putting any load through a stone cold transmission by it being warmed (to a lesser degree) the longer you idle the engine.

I’m not being a dick. Do your own research, if you think that oil ratings suggest they are thicker at higher temperatures. They are not. ALL oils get thinner as they get hotter. All of them. The rating just guarantees (or defines) a minimum viscosity at a given temperature - so one grade of oil is thicker at winter…

Do you not see how that is an absolute, though? You’re saying if the temp falls into range it is ‘fine’. Nothing to worry about. It doesn’t address at all, whether it is ‘better’ or ‘worse’, even within that ‘nothing to worry about’ band. Also, consider that idling is less than ‘normal loading’ and also that ‘normal…

Oh, I’m not saying the trans will warm up faster then the engine. Of course not, that’d be ridiculous. I’m saying that warming the engine will also warm the trans. and that not driving the trans until it is at least warmed a bit is better than not warming it at all.

Ah, ok. I thought it was an odd tangent.

Of course it will *eventually* warm up. Thermodynamics demands it. It will take longer, sure, but a trans operating at 20 degrees above ambient is better off than one that is at ambient, surely.

Obviously. The disconnect here is that you are implying there is no issue with running a cold engine at load if the oil viscosity is correct. Obviously the engine has a finite life, it’s just how you treat it during that life has a significant effect on the length of that life. I was exaggerating to point out the fact…

So you’re saying that the design allows for people to rag their engines at full load and full rpm.

On a wider scale, sure. But when you load an engine, parts get pushed together (crank pin pushed to the edge of the bearing to transmit thrust) and this can displace a thicker oil where a thinner oil is fine. Oil viscosities make that better, but it’s not magic. It’s still better to run the engine at its ideal…

I know. I’m not seeing your point - it sounds like you are agreeing with me, but I’m not sure! Yes, it will take longer for the oil to warm than the coolant, and the gearbox/gear oil even longer.

I saw that, but as soon as the car is on normal idle, it’s not running so rich and the oil gets hot enough to evaporate out the fuel, while at the same time not actually working the oil (ie the engine is not under load). So I don’t think it is conclusive. Besides, I think the benefits to the transmission are higher…

When you’re driving, I’d maybe agree with that, but that would mean the trans would never get warm, which doesn’t make sense. But when you’re sitting still there is a LOT of heat and while the outside surface of the trans may feel cold, the internals will be warmed. There is more surface area between the engine and…

Er. No. No it isn’t. FYI. Go back to school.